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tvr3000m · Joined: 15 Oct 2009 Posts: 15 Location: Netherlands

Hello there. I just purchased a brand new 3.4 v6 engine from SA. It is a full engine with water pump but no Flywheel.

I also have a spare 3.0 engine from a scimitar.
Can I use the standard 3.0 flywheel on the 3.4 engine??
I also like to fit a lightened flywheel. So the original plan was to take the 3.0 flywheel. Take some of the material off and balance the flywheel and fit it.
Some say this can be done and some say this can't be done. Also someone told me the Essex flywheel has a large counterbalance so can never be balanced without the complete assembly of crankshaft, pistons, front pulley and rods mounted. If this is the case, Why did Ford sell the engine assembled without a flywheel? this should mean that everyone ever bought this engine must dissemble the engine anyway. Anyone knows how to solve my problem? Can I buy a 3.4 flywheel anywhere or is it just a myth?
i hope anyone have experience with this subject..
Are there other things that I have to look at with the new engine before running it?
Let me know!

Cheers!
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tvr3000m · Joined: 15 Oct 2009 Posts: 15 Location: Netherlands

Hello folks. After contacting some companys I got a very bizarre reply from a well known Essex v6 expert. I will paste a correspondence from me to this essex expert and his replies in this tread. I will only take away the name in the mail. The first mail is in the botton so to follow the complete conversation from the beginning please start from underneeth. What do you think about this? little bizar right?

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If I wasn't sure why would I say they were not new? I told You the engines are reconditioned, so they will be clean wont they? We have stripped and balanced several of these engines so I know what they are. We were offered these engines in 1999 for £400-00
each and didn't buy them because they were not worth it. You may also be interested to know that Your exhaust manifolds wont fit.
I tried to help You but because the information isn't what You wanted to hear You refuse to believe it.
Don't bother to contact Us again, you have used up My patience.
Goodbye, M. (this after 2 e-mails??)
----- Original Message ----- From: <MyMail>
To: "Work" <xxxxxx@v6engines.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 15, 2009 10:08 AM
Subject: Re: essex 3.4

Hello M.

Thank you for the quick reply. So you say the engine is not new? I am surprised. Everyone sells them as beeing new. The stamp in the iron also carries the number 96. I thought this would have been the year of production. The engine should also be able to run unleaded fuel. Are you sure the engines are not new? Exhausts look very clean.

Regards.

Milko

Citeren Work <xxxxx@v6engines.com>:

The South African 3.4 Engines being sold in this country are not new they are reconditioned. They were not reconditioned by Ford they were reconditioned for Ford by an outside contractor. Because You were fitting an exchange reconditioned engine You were expected to have a 3.4 pulley and flywheel to transfer from Your old engine. The 3 litre pulley and flywheel will fit but they have the wrong balance factor so the engine will be badly out of balance. We can balance a Your 3 litre parts on Your 3.4 crankshaft but You are going to have to strip it. There is no option. To re machine the couterbalance weights in the flywheel and pulley and then do the final balancing on the rotating assembly is £180-00 + V.A.T.
Regards M.
----- Original Message -----
From: Milko
To:

tvr3000m · Joined: 15 Oct 2009 Posts: 15 Location: Netherlands

Here i have the next 2 replies of the last conversation. It gets better and better. Anyone have a good experience with this V6 essex specialist? let me know. now I just think he might have a brain tumor Wink

this time begin on top. The website of this bastard is the 2nd to be found on google when typing ford essex v6

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----- Original Message ----- From:
To: "Work" <power@v6engines.com>
Sent: Friday, October 16, 2009 9:39 AM
Subject: Re: essex 3.4

Wow! man! relaxed. I never said I dont believe you. I just asked if
you are sure. This is because they are sold as new and many people claim they are magnificent. The E-bay seller also has a 99.9% positive feedback so this is why I am also very surprized about all that you said. If I get it right the engines are a fully peace of worthless shit? Cant this be surprizing to me as there are so many people very happy with them?

So If the engines are not OK but they do have unleaded valve seats. Why arent they even worth L400? The unleaded head aconversion is allredy pretty expensive and the 3.4 Crank is allready a desirable item I would think. The exhaust is not a big problem. I can easilly weld a new manifold.

So if I get it right I will have to take the engine in peaces and send
you the pistons, Rods, Crank, Flywheel, Front pulley, and preasure
group for balancing?? The engine is at least clean so i hope i can
untighten everything without any complications. All I need then are
some new seels to close it up at the end properly.

By the way I think I do need your company's help if I want to make this engine running smooth and i intend to, so i would not be so angry at a potential customer. Sending 2 or 3 mails with questions is not really strange is it?? At least not where i come from and especially if there are so many small differences in these engines and every source in forums on the internet is telling something else. The only thing is we dont have a company that is experienced with the Essex engine in the Netherlands. You are the only one I can find that is specialized in the tuning of the essex.

Cheer up! Its also raining here in the Netherlands Wink

Thanx for the info for so far and i will get back to you as soon I
found time to de-assemble the engine and donor engine.

regards.

Milko
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his reply:

It isn't raining here.
The only reason You purchased the engine on ebay was because You didn't want to pay us the proper price for building one.
The engines were no good to us because We couldn't sell them if They didn't fit peoples cars. It costs us very little to do an unleaded conversion so this is of no value to us. We will not be trading with You so for the last time goodbye. If You are unsure about the intent of this message buy an English Dictionary.

(Wow!! never ever i've called them or send them other messages.
so you have all the facts about him. i did get my awnser but what a way to get it!?)

So I replied with the following:

Thanx my British Friend. I will post this completely on all v6 essex related forums in that I can find. I have never ever had such an inconvenient conversation with anyone that has a commercial job. By the way. I did not pay L1800 for the engine on ebay. I found my one in a local site from somebody that probably paid the full prize. I just paid L900 for it. Its to much according to you. anyway. Hope you will ever learn about being customer friendly. I feel sorry for you.
I never intended to screw up your day but somehow 2 very short messages did the trick. We might call that humor in the Netherlands. The whole idea of thinking that I only bought the engine because i dont want you to have the money is very strange. Where did you get this idea from??? Sorry mate. you’re probably right about the engine part but wrong about the rest.
By the way. Do you even speak 2 words Dutch??

Cheers.

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So this is how you get treaten by the essex expert. Damn! I rather go to burtonpower or so. They might be more expensive but at least customer friendly. Still. Anyone have a 3.4 flywheel and pulley for sale??
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gtv6capri · Posted: Fri Oct 16, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject:

Interesting e-mail conversation!! WHy don't you just dismantle the engine, add a 3lt pulley and flywheel and get it balanced locally? Surely there is engine balancing available in Holland, the original email basically says the parts interchange
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tvr3000m · Joined: 15 Oct 2009 Posts: 15 Location: Netherlands

yellayomper · Joined: 15 Feb 2009 Posts: 13 Location: United Kingdom

The problem with this dealer is where he is from......

Lancashire -

He's a miserable northerner!

Trust me, I work all over the UK with my job and the worst place in the country for miserable bastards is the North West!

I have heard that the only way to balance these engines is dynamically with all the parts attached apart from the rings but the rings must be supplied to the balancer so he can weigh them.

I think the front crank pulley is slightly different on the bore size as well.

tvr3000m · Joined: 15 Oct 2009 Posts: 15 Location: Netherlands

Hi Mate. Thanx for the confirmation that he is a silly old prick.
LOL.

I hope the front pulley bore will be OK. Im happy you remind me to also take the rings. (you meen the 4 half rings right?)
So that means I also must let them ballance including the front timing gear etc..

Thanx man!

Cheers.
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RS2600replica · Joined: 07 Mar 2008 Posts: 33 Location: Finland

I would strongly advice not to post private email's on any forums.. For one It serves no purpose.. not to mention about the possible legal issues.

If I understood right, you bought an engine elsewhere(ebay) and wish to have free advice and aftersales support from other supplier, who could have built an engine for you. I totally agree with the silly old man as he told you to bugger off.

nuff said.
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